Obama threw Israel under the bus…
(IsraelNN.com) United States President Barack Obama issued a stinging condemnation of the Jewish presence in Judea and Samaria on Wednesday in a speech to the United Nations General Assembly. The U.S. “does not accept the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlements,” Obama announced.
Using unusually harsh terminology, Obama called to “end the occupation that began in 1967″ – referring to Israel’s control of Judea and Samaria.
Obama also stated that the U.S. must put more pressure on Israel to accept Arab demands. “The United States does Israel no favors when we fail to couple an unwavering commitment to its security with an insistence that Israel respect the legitimate claims and rights of the Palestinians,” he said.
He just shit on one of our staunchest allies… a nation so closely aligned with our country and our founding ideals… this makes me sick.
September 23rd, 2009 at 9:46 pm
I have mixed-feelings about the settlement issue that, like a lot of Israelis, will probably never be reconciled in my mind, HOWEVER, as far as this is concerned:
The U.S. “does not accept the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlements,” Obama announced.
This shitsicle does NOT speak for me.
September 24th, 2009 at 9:13 am
Nor me.
I don’t have a fucking clue about who is living where in Israel… frankly, it’s their business.
‘Legitimate’ seems to be a buzzword for obama…
September 26th, 2009 at 11:04 pm
He does not speak for you, Pam? You admit you have no clue about the issues in Israel/Palestine yet you feel you can state he does not “speak” for you? How can you say this when you have no idea of the facts, as you admit yourself? Perhaps you should learn, Pam. After reviewing your About page on your website you seem like a person willing to admit you do not know everything, indeed, that you may be wrong about some things. Yet you make a comment such as this (“Nor me”..) without having knowledge about the issue. No offense but this makes you seem like a simple right wing extremist unwilling to admit their may be another perspective. Please, respect yourself and don’t be lead by people like Erinyes, or anyone else, including me. Research the facts and come up with your own conclusions based on YOUR perspective of the facts. You do yourself a disservice by randomly commenting on issues that you yourself admit you know nothing of.
September 27th, 2009 at 9:28 am
I’m sorry but I don’t think my About page outs me as a ‘right wing extremist’. Projecting much?
And no. I don’t know who is living in what settlement in Israel. Don’t have to. Does everyone there know what is happening in this part of the world? Hardly. All I have to know is that I don’t like or appreciate what my President is saying. That’s it.
And sweetie, I’ll comment on anything I please here; that’s why I pay for the space.
September 27th, 2009 at 10:43 am
Hi again Pam,
The right wing comment was not about your “About” page, it was related to your comments in this blog. Indeed, I believe I noted that I can see that you are willing to see other perspectives based on your About page, so your “projecting much” comment is off base (I assume you got that comment from past experiences with counselors?). My point is not about the middle east per se, my point is that you say you “don’t like what Obama says about a subject, in this case the middle east, yet you admit you have no idea about the middle east in the first place. How can you like or dislike his comments when you are unaware of what the facts are? What is your “dislike” based upon? If it is not based on facts are you saying your political views are simply shallow instinctive feelings triggered by others? On a side note, I understand why you have put the “shrink” hat on regarding your “projecting” comment but in all honesty I am simply interested in a political debate-not a playing of words. That is one reason for a blog, no? Being cynical with your “sweetie” comment only show your need to “one up” me in some way. Any further comments on the issue? Again the issue is: How can you like or dislike his comments when you are unaware of what the facts are? What is your “dislike” based upon? If it is not based on facts are you saying your political views are simply instinctive feelings triggered by others?
September 27th, 2009 at 11:06 am
Lord have mercy. I’m southern, so I sweetie and darlin’ everyone. No offense intended. But you wouldn’t know anything about that, would you?
I do not care for obama one way or another, but I do not like socialism, fascism or islamic assholes who prefer to blow themselves up rather than live a peaceful life. Guess that marks me as a ‘right wing extremist’, eh?
Specifically regarding his comments: I don’t appreciate his words. Coming from [arguably] the most powerful man in the United States, spoken in that context, they carry great import. Obama seems more geared toward a palestinian state than siding with our ally.
But what I think about obama and his words is clearly not what is bothering you, is it? That’s fine with me; it’s still a free country.
September 27th, 2009 at 11:34 am
Now we’re getting somewhere!
First, I would now all about “that” so please do not assume..I’m sitting in a small town just outside San Antonio right now. Second, I take back my cynical comment regarding “sweetie”…anywhere else it would seem cynical but not down here! Third, yes, there are extremist is ALL religions that feel that violence is the way to go-but small sects of all groups and religions have felt that at one time or another so it would not be fair to cast out an entire group based on that (yes, even Christianity had it extreme days, and in small sects still does). Regarding your comment that Obama seems more interested in creating a Palestine rather than siding with Israel: it is very possible that he is right regarding peace and security-creating a Palestinian state through negotiations with Israel may very well be the best way to secure Israel’s security. Yes his words carry great weight-as they should! Continuing to be one-sided will not solve this issue. Only “forcing” both to sit down and work on the core issues will solve this and that is what Obama is trying to do. (I’m going to ignore your comment regarding what’s “bothering me”…not sure why it’s so hard to believe but I am simply interested in debating the issue with people who may not feel the way I do…that is one way I try to make sure I get other perspectives). Of course it’s a free country, again, I just like debating. I’m interested in continuing this debate if you are but let’s leave our assumptions about the other person at the door–just the issues–I will if you will
BTW, my name may make you wonder but I was born and have lived in North America pretty much my whole life (luckily I was also able to live overseas for may years as well) so I am that guy you just walked by at the coffee shop, that guy at the mall…
September 27th, 2009 at 11:57 am
and let’s not overlook what started this whole thing: another blogger made a comment and I quote: “The U.S. “does not accept the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlements,” Obama announced. This shitsicle does NOT speak for me.”
Then you replied with: “Nor me. I don’t have a fucking clue about who is living where in Israel…”
So again, without malice, I simply don’t understand how you could say “Nor me” as a reply to the other bloggers statement that Obama does not speak for you regarding the “illegitimacy of continued Israeli settlements” while at the same time you admit honestly that you don’t have a clue about mid-east politics or I assume the settlements themselves. I in no way intend to “school” you on mid-east politics or imply that you should know about them, JUST that if one makes a comment about one’s opinion on an issue should that person not know the facts about the issue in the first place? A fair question. (and the same goes for extremists worldwide, in this case let’s pick Islamic extremists: I’m guessing they know squat about America and it’s people thus they have no right to pretend that they are blowing up things based on their disagreement with American culture and religion)
September 23rd, 2009 at 9:57 pm
How is it that Jews support this man when he shits all over them?
September 24th, 2009 at 9:14 am
A question I’ve never had answered. When you find out let me know, k?
September 26th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
My husband has a close friend who is Jewish and voted for Obama. When my husband said to him, “He is no friend of Israel” his friend’s reply was, ‘Israel doesn’t need the US. They can take up for themselves. We’ve always used Israel to do our dirty work.” Essentially, Israel is strong enough and doesn’t need the likes of us… seriously, that is what he thinks. Many of them do.
That said, the head of the Republican Party down here is a client of my spouse’s and is Jewish. Not all Jews fall into the category of my husband’s friend. But most do.
Another client of my husband’s, a brilliant businessman who is Jewish, told my husband he did not understand their ‘mutual friend’ and his support of Obama. My husband said he has done the best he could do, to explain the error of his ways to their friend, and said it would be best coming from a Jew. His client said, “I tried…”
But it seems to be a prevalent thought, “Israel doesn’t need us.” Kind of a defiant thumbing the nose at the US on behalf of Israel. Does that make sense? “I can support Obama because Israel can stand on their own. Dammit.”
September 26th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
Unbelievable. While their homeland should be a source of pride, flaunting logic always results in pain and sorrow.
September 24th, 2009 at 8:06 am
What does it take for the majority of America to stand up and say to Israel, “We do NOT support the stance of our President on Israel”. Cutting down the Jews like that. So tell me now, who’s the racist one?
September 24th, 2009 at 9:16 am
Well, I’m out:
We do NOT support the stance of our President on Israel.
September 24th, 2009 at 8:27 am
i… i… have way too much to say about all this – can’t get it all out in a coherent manner so
September 24th, 2009 at 9:27 am
I know what you mean…
September 24th, 2009 at 8:53 am
The real question Diamond Dave is how much longer will the citizens of the United States allow this to continue?!
According to recent polls, all those in Washington are starting (finally) to get concerned about mid-term elections, as more than rumblings can be heard in their home constituencies (sp?). Not just Democrats who are looking to be booted out on their ears, but Republicans as well as many people are in favor of a clean sweep. It needs to happen…but we need to start with the POTUS and the VPOTUS.
September 24th, 2009 at 9:30 am
I’ve been seeing this as well… more than just Blue Dogs are worried about their jobs! Democracy in action, eh?
September 24th, 2009 at 10:55 am
please tell me you’re channeling a satire site like the onion. please tell me this is creative writing and not truth. please.
We do NOT support the stance of our President on Israel.
September 24th, 2009 at 11:35 am
No, it’s all too real…
September 24th, 2009 at 10:58 am
“…an insistence that Israel respect the legitimate claims and rights of the Palestinians”
Oh, sure, because the “Palestinians” have respected the rights of the Israelis! You would think our nation (which embraces the principles of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness) would have a leader who understands that AND who supports our ally as they fight daily for their very existence.
Of course, he gave eastern Europe the finger, so why on earth would I expect him to care about Israel.
BTW, what happened to the “finger” emoticon>!?!?
September 24th, 2009 at 11:39 am
The finger is back by popular demand; just click on ‘more’ and you’ll see it…
He gave Eastern Europe the finger, but isn’t it funny that his most ardent admirers include Chavez, Ghadaffi, Castro, et al?
September 24th, 2009 at 11:04 am
Is this really a surprise to anyone? Really?
I do not support the stance of Obama on almost everything.
September 24th, 2009 at 11:39 am
It’s not a surprise, this is just the first time he’s been so damn blunt about it…
…what an arse the man is…
September 24th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
To quote our President… “He’s an Ass” and it applies directly to the One. Good grief.
September 24th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
I’m really surprised, given his love for all things Arab, that he chose not to stay and hear Khadafi’s lengthy and rambling ranting at the UN. I mean, if you’re gonna lay it on the table…let’s be honest and lay it ALL on the table.
Oh wait. My bad…I forgot I was talking about a lying politician AND The One. Obviously a brain fart in action.
September 24th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
Well, really… it’s a good question. I hate a man who doesn’t have the balls to take a stand. And no, ‘let’s just all get along’ doesn’t qualify…
September 24th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
I don’t say this often, but…
You Goddamn fucking bastard!!!!
September 24th, 2009 at 7:07 pm
I assure you, I share your frustration…!
September 24th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
Turd is the word.
September 25th, 2009 at 2:23 am
Ironically if Obama really wanted to limit proliferation, and even get rid of nukes (as he said he did) the way to go about it is through a global, layered anti-missile system. The promise that any missile launched by anyone would be shot down before impact, and so any nukes would not have effect, could result in countries deciding that nukes were no longer useful even as weapons of nuclear blackmail. But Obama, like all liberals, is dead set against defence against nuclear missile attack.
September 25th, 2009 at 3:37 am
I dunno, Gene, I may well have crapped smelly things with a higher IQ that Obama.
Lots of people are wild eyed radicals in college, life usually turns them a lot more middle of the road or conservative by their forties. Obama still sounds like a college sophomore, ie, idiot.
Seems that in a perfect world this would be grounds for a lawsuit, this is not how he campaigned. When I am elected as absolute ruler for a period of no more than one year (with a nice pension, please) one of the rules in the new constitution is that if you govern differently than you ran, out. With no pension and no possibility of further office.
Of course, my House of Representatives will consist of random citizens chosen at random in each district, with no re-election allowed. Oh, yeah, and no lawyers as judges. If the laws aren’t simple enough for an ordinary eighth grade graduate to understand, it’s void, try again.
Oh, nevermind, I was at a six year old’s bitrthday party at Mickey D’s, I’m kind of rattled. I’m about to call for giant lynch mobs again.
September 25th, 2009 at 6:34 am
Rattled or not, you make perfect sense, Peter.
September 25th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
September 27th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
And how many Presidents have held ‘peace summits’ for this very reason? It’s damned difficult to gain any type of peace when leaders like ahmadinejad say that Israel should be ‘wiped off the face of the earth’ and denies the Holocaust.
Israel does not start the fighting. But it doesn’t help itself any by giving away land fairly won in hopes of gaining some sort of uneasy peace. It will never, ever come because it sits in the middle of an area populated by people who want to wipe it away like a stain.
Extremists in all religions? Sure. But we’re talking here about the overwhelming numbers of muslims who seek to blow up infidels who chose to worship any God other than theirs.
This is not the Dark Ages; do you see Christians rising up and killing innocents in the name of their religion? I think not.
I don’t care about your name. It could be Jose or Benjamin or Ali; my answers do not change.
And obama, unfortunately, does speak for me around the world. I wish it were not so, but in another few years yet another fool will be elected to speak for me… I may not like him any better than this fool.
September 27th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
Never, ever come….wow, pretty bleak thinking. Israel has made peace with Egypt and Jordan, it’s been about 30 yrs and 13 yrs, respectively-and it has held. Israel is currently colonizing the West Bank with its civilian population-this has nothing to do with its military defense. And while I do not agree with Hamas in any way, shape, or form, when Israel withdrew from the Gaza Strip it re-doubled its settlement efforts in the West Bank. You say Israel does not start the fighting-if Cuba started colonizing Florida with its civilian population would you not constitute this as “starting a fight”? One thing I do give the Israeli gov’t credit for: if it had the power and was not afraid its coalition gov’t would not crumble I believe that the majority would pull out of the West Bank and East Jerusalem for peace. Please note: I believe Israel has every right to defend itself with military force if necessary, but what does this have to do with colonizing the West Bank with its civilians?
September 27th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
BTW Pam, I’ll be heading out to a b-day party pretty soon but I’ll be checking back!
September 27th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
Ali – There is nothing in the rule book stating Pam needs to know info before commenting or making statements on her site – I am sitting a couple feet from her PC and I assure you she knows a hell of a lot more then President Obama does – at least she helped run a real business once which is more then he has done. This is not about Israel, this is about our president and his intentional destruction – Note: I am not a Righty, I vote both ways
September 27th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
Awwww….
…and I owned and ran a business, thank you very much!
September 27th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
well, that’s sweet that you’re sticking up for her, guess u got some points there